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Lucy's Official New ForumPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:16 pm    Subject: Lucy's Official New Forum Reply with quote


It seems to be the same story but the dates doesn't correspond. Maybe it was happen two times... But these days, one more time, on the official temp forum, admin (alias Jen, i think) re-says something similar in what there's no problem for using the lucy's image in a pr0n site for ads only.
Now is this the time to open a debate about the yes and the no for using her image in a pr0n site? I like when passions burst out! Cloud 9

Poggy, you said that Jen & Lucy are against pr0n. Well, personally i never understood this. I understood she will never make porns, but if you remember any posts or article where she denounces the pr0n industry and its degrading aspect, well i am all ears... Ears Or maybe, Pigeon could you light me in this dark part i would have badly remarked.
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Lucy's Official New ForumPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:54 pm    Subject: Lucy's Official New Forum Reply with quote


snowflake wrote:
on the official temp forum, admin (alias Jen, i think) re-says something similar in what there's no problem for using the lucy's image in a pr0n site for ads only.


I don't see anything like that... I can see the usual unhelpful response to any negative comment, that of going into denial and putting down the poster rather than addressing their concerns - mainly directed against Poggy - but that's all; just that negative; I don't see anything that could be construed as positive approval of the use of Lucy's material to promote pr0n.

(For the information of anyone who's interested: The reason I make comments like that is that such responses achieve nothing but to intimidate others who may also be concerned into not expressing their feelings - feelings which, as thinking beings, they have every right to hold. It does not make those feelings go away, it just adds to the existing concerns disgruntlement at the response and fear that nothing will be done to improve matters. Having unhappy and disgruntled fans is not helpful to Lucy, to the fans, or to that forum. Since I cannot make any direct representations in this regard, though, highlighting the unhelpful nature of such responses in public in the hope that if I say it often enough someone will eventually take the point is the best I can do.)

Also, note what I posted in the video thread - that the response of the mobile service to malformed links has now changed; links without a trailing / now produce an error message and the page bearing the error message does not have any pr0n links or images on it.

That thread also brought up the subject of adverts for a certain TV channel, which Lucy did say she wasn't happy about doing and implied that she only did it because the choice was do that or lose the work she was getting from the Star.

snowflake wrote:
Poggy, you said that Jen & Lucy are against pr0n. Well, personally i never understood this. I understood she will never make porns, but if you remember any posts or article where she denounces the pr0n industry and its degrading aspect, well i am all ears... Ears Or maybe, Pigeon could you light me in this dark part i would have badly remarked.


Denouncement isn't really Lucy's style Smile she has, however, denounced the prostitution industry - in her response to some a******e from said industry pinching her pics to advertise their operations - and the salient features are little different, in that they both involve having sex, often of a degrading nature, with strangers for money.
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Lucy's Official New ForumPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:25 am    Subject: Lucy's Official New Forum Reply with quote


Pigeon wrote:
snowflake wrote:
on the official temp forum, admin (alias Jen, i think) re-says something similar in what there's no problem for using the lucy's image in a pr0n site for ads only.

I don't see anything like that...

Confused I don't understand! 2 solutions: the words had been deleted or I have hallucinations. In this possible second case, i can't understand now what it means but at least i have to make public excuses for having said wrong things.

Pigeon wrote:
Denouncement isn't really Lucy's style Smile she has, however, denounced the prostitution industry - in her response to some a******e from said industry pinching her pics to advertise their operations - and the salient features are little different, in that they both involve having sex, often of a degrading nature, with strangers for money.

That was i thought...
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Lucy's Official New ForumPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:28 am    Subject: Lucy's Official New Forum Reply with quote


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Confused I don't understand! 2 solutions: the words had been deleted or I have hallucinations. In this possible second case, i can't understand now what it means but at least i have to make public excuses for having said wrong things.


I don't understand either Smile I've kept copies of those threads after each new post of any significance; I've checked through those as well as the material remaining and I still can't find anything like that. I suppose it's possible that something was posted and then quickly deleted, so that you saw it and I didn't... In which case I guess if Jen deleted her own posts the possible conclusions are fairly obvious Smile
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Lucy's Official New ForumPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:37 pm    Subject: Lucy's Official New Forum Reply with quote


had a look doesnt seem buzy at all, which is a shame
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Lucy's Official New ForumPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:58 pm    Subject: Lucy's Official New Forum Reply with quote


OMFG...whats wrong with u guys...we know the new forum could be a con job...or not(for the ones who still want poor Santa climbing down their chimney)....can we just talk about something new?...i'd like to know when do we get to see the new Daily star shoot!!!!
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Lucy's Official New ForumPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:20 pm    Subject: Lucy's Official New Forum Reply with quote


ROFL Agreed... and that's what I want to know too! Lucy's announcement on twitter was in the "Best News For Ages" category - especially as she said Daily Star, not the Sunday version... but the Star aren't half dragging their feet over doing something with it... Wry
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Lucy's Official New ForumPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:05 pm    Subject: Lucy's Official New Forum Reply with quote


sexybeast wrote:
OMFG...whats wrong with u guys...we know the new forum could be a con job...or not(for the ones who still want poor Santa climbing down their chimney)....can we just talk about something new?...i'd like to know when do we get to see the new Daily star shoot!!!!

Why does this thread disturb you sexybeast? Wry I don't understand why there should be something wrong with discussing about this. If you don't want to see the real bad things in the LP 's world, it's your right! and so you can go & discuss on the thread about Daily star shoot cos this is not this one here. But you shouldn't try to suggest the other not to speak about. Nono The headlong rush never sorts out things! As long as the malaise exists, we have to speak about and no to do like there's nothing matter. LP and every companies around need a permanent feed-back otherwise anybody can do a mistake or what he wants and say next: "oops, it's nothing, nobody complains, nothing happened, just a little mistake, it happens at everybody" - or - "anyway LP will never loose her fame so we can give the management of her image at a lowcost company" (I exagerate! Hehe ).
The one thing we can know today is that we don't know a lot of things!
I tell you that without agressive tone but only surprised and friendly. Peace!Hippy
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Lucy's Official New ForumPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:47 pm    Subject: Lucy's Official New Forum Reply with quote


This thread does not disturb me Snowflake...however if i did for some reason derail ur train of thought my apologies...go on then...we'r all listening Thumb Up!
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Lucy's Official New ForumPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:05 am    Subject: Lucy's Official New Forum Reply with quote


Well the thing is you're both right Big Grin - and this is great Smile

Snowflake is dead right that "As long as the malaise exists, we have to speak about and no to do like there's nothing matter." That is a principle which I believe to be true in all walks of life, not just matters connected with Lucy. If something's wrong with things that one cares about, one has a duty to speak out about it... otherwise it just stays wrong and nothing is ever done about it.

The official forum is uniquely able to be a very good one, indeed to be the best... but it does not fulfil this promise, because it won't sort out the many and serious deficiencies which at the moment make it about the worst. In its current state it's essentially useless except to people who have nothing more interesting to say than "yeah wow great pic"... which not only makes it pretty much pointless for the fans but also destroys its usefulness as a tool for gathering information useful to Lucy herself on how her material and activities are received - how can she formulate future plans without full and complete information on which to base them?

Said deficiencies include...
  • Suppression of negative comments, no matter how justifiable said comments may be.
  • Refusal to even acknowledge the possibility that everything in the garden may not be tickety-boo - blind assumption that everything is unimpeachably perfect, regardless of evidence, no matter how powerful, that it isn't.
  • Deliberate unhelpfulness - refusal to answer even the simplest questions, refusal to answer important questions which are bugging large numbers of people. The only way people can get any answers is either from what imperfect answers I may be able to provide or occasionally from Lucy herself on twitter.
  • Deliberate withholding of news of Lucy's future activities - two recent examples - it failed to announce Lucy's appearance at Brands Hatch, it failed to announce Lucy's appearance at the poker championships. It should be - and it could be - providing sufficient notice of everything for the fans to make their plans for it, instead it announces nothing and what news there is comes either through this forum or occasionally from Lucy herself on twitter.
  • Refusal to acknowledge that a huge number of people view Lucy as a human being, someone to care about and to be concerned for her present and future welfare and career prospects. Instead it seems to think that nobody has any right to feel anything at a higher level than the mindless "yeah great picture" level, and marginalises and attacks anyone who dares to allow either their brain or their human feelings to function.
...That is hardly an exhaustive list but it will do for the moment Smile

And because of those very deficiencies it is more or less impossible for anyone to raise those points on the official forum itself. If they try, the "best" they can expect is the sort of useless response Poggy received - a response helpful neither to Poggy, nor to the forum itself. But - as noted - anyone who cares has a duty to raise them. And threads like this on forums like this are pretty much the only place where they can be raised.

...Oh, and the "Lucy wants it like that" excuse doesn't work, because on the rare occasions when it does become possible to communicate with Lucy herself she's pretty much the opposite of that.

...And Sexybeast is also right, in that we all know all this already and it does get to be a bit of a downer talking about it - especially at times like this when there isn't much else going on to provide a bit of variety and more pleasant/interesting things to talk about, and especially since the chances of the official site actually gaining the self-awareness to acknowledge the validity of the points and do something about correcting them - instead of closed-mindedly refusing to listen and instead sniping at members of this site for daring to use their eyes and brains instead of blindly accepting the propaganda - are indeed somewhat akin to the chances of Santa coming down the chimney.

Still, if Santa looks like this, I think we are justified in holding onto even the smallest hope of her coming down the chimney Big Grin

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Lucy's Official New ForumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:25 am    Subject: Lucy's Official New Forum Reply with quote


You said all! We don't have more than to wait for something new now! Shrug
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Lucy's Official New ForumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:10 pm    Subject: what official forum Reply with quote


hello everybody
what is this forum u all talking about...whats the url?
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Lucy's Official New ForumPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:37 pm    Subject: Lucy's Official New Forum Reply with quote


It isn't anything you don't know about already Hehe we're just talking about the forum on the official website. The "new" bit is simply because the bungling fool masquerading as a web designer moved the site to a new server without first making sure to have recovered all the data off the old one, by which piece of kindergarten-level incompetence he lost four years' worth of forum content beyond recovery - so now there is a "new" forum there with essentially nothing on it. The rest of the discussion is about the deficiencies in how it is run, which are of course unchanged.
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Lucy's Official New ForumPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:58 pm    Subject: Lucy's Official New Forum Reply with quote


Something new: a pr0n website owner or designer on the official forum. The pr0n and boobs industry seems to infiltrate everywhere, forming a network more & more big to catch more & more money. I tryed to measure the phenomenon and , hoo, yeah, we can really speak of industry. It seems to be an eldorado for wining money easyly for a webmaster.
I will believe in what pretty girls don't have better choice other than to work for it. If you have one at home, keep a watch on her! Big Grin Wink
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Lucy's Official New ForumPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:14 pm    Subject: Lucy's Official New Forum Reply with quote


I've seen that Roll Eyes perfectly obvious that it's only signed up to get people onto its pr0n site. And observe the hypocrisy of one of its posts - a forum spammer complaining about forum spammers...
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